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It's about the community building. So gravity, it's company, and let's grow with creativity side by side. It's our new podcast for creativity, community, and it's created to come to light.

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All right, here I am in South Philly today in this cute little rehearsal storage space with Nat from Nat Fury the Band. Night Fury. Night Nat. God, I'll get, I'm gonna get there. Night Fury. That's what I meant to say. Um, who we just met today. Uh last week there was a post on DIY Philly um that her band is putting a single out this Friday.

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We are.

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And uh so I reached out and was like, hey, let's talk about it, because she was looking for some promos. So that's how we met, and we're here now. And um we love the internet sometimes. And we love the internet sometimes, yes, it's true. You are right about that. So uh yeah, so let's talk about you. So we had a little blooper, so I did find out that um you came from Mexico City, East.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

I did, I did. Um, so I was actually born in San Diego, so I do have um not that my citizenship is any of any of anyone's business, but um I was born in San Diego and I grew up in Mexico City. Okay. Um, so you know, I'm mostly like my childhood, everything's been from Mexico, and I miss it a lot, but I'm also happy with with where I am now. I mean, I wouldn't have started Night Fury if I hadn't left.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

So did you do music when you were there?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

I did. I like found I've always wanted to be a singer even when I was like little, and I was like such a pop girly. I loved like Brittany and Lady Gaga. I love Lady Gaga. Um, but I was, you know, if if I had a penny for a time my mom walked into my room and I was doing like a little dance and pretending that I was like a big pop diva on stage, um, I'd have a lot of pennies.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

You would never have to be working.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

No, well in this in this economy, probably, but maybe less. But anyway, yeah, so I've always wanted to sing. Um, I didn't think I was a good singer um until someone had like a teacher. Uh her name's Maria, and she heard me singing in the bathroom and she made me perform in the school festival. And I'm forever grateful for her because she like kind of like really encouraged and sparked that in me, and then I started to actually pursue it. So I was doing a lot of musical theater and pop.

SPEAKER_05 2:56

How many years ago was that?

SPEAKER_02 2:57

I was 13. So 2000. How old was I? 2008, 2007?

SPEAKER_05 3:07

So it was almost 20 years, 20 years ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Yeah, because I'm I'm 31 now. So um, but yeah, so I started going to I started like doing musicals and singing and every every opportunity I had to sing, I would take it. But um, I had a lot of gay ki keeping, unfortunately, like a lot of you know, I every time I try to like get more into rock, I kind of had a lot of judgment from a lot of male figures in my life. So I didn't really get into rock till I was or older, and I'm kind of grateful that I that I mean I wish I'd gotten into it since I was little, but I think I'm grateful the way I came to it because it was because I was called to it and now you know Knife was formed and now I'm super happy that that happened. Yeah. Um it's been a fully DIY project from the beginning, and we're still hustling in the DIY. Um, but I mean it's an awesome project and I have a lot of big dreams for it. Yeah. So when did the band start? I started the band in 2022 with um Paul Sevier, that's his stage name, who is no longer in the band. Um and yeah, we started just jamming at my house, and I told him I really want to do a band, and it was actually the same thing as you and me. We're like, I posted on Facebook, I want to start a band. I I moved to Philly like right before COVID, so I didn't know a lot of people, so I was posting on Facebook who wants to be in a band, and that's how I connected with him. And here I am now, we're uh 2022, so like almost four years that we've been working on the band. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:40

Um, but yeah, it's uh I'm excited about it. And so so he's not in the band anymore. Is there who's who's in the who's in the band?

SPEAKER_02 4:50

So the band right now is me, and then Aaron Weeks is our guitar player. He's awesome. Um Morgan Um Rice is our bass player, and then Brian Chapman is our drummer, and they're all great people. Um, super talented people. I'm really grateful that they're in the band with me.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

Awesome. Um the single. So the single is uh what's it called? What's it?

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yakisieras, which means Yeah, you wish.

SPEAKER_05 5:17

I did look that up last week. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Uh Yaqui Cierra, so it means Yeah, you wish. Um I wrote it actually kind of a little bit about the gatekeeping and about the um I just I think that a lot of a lot of men think that women think we're they're all that. They think we think, oh my god, men, right? And I I don't know. I feel like a lot of men think that we're really at home, like I don't even want to know what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

How can I make men like me?

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And um like when a guy turns me down or or like when I turn a guy down, I feel like they're truly I mean I'm in a relationship now, but I feel like I feel like when a guy turns me down, they really think I'm like pining for for months, or like it's like the worst thing that's ever happened to me. And uh there was a lot of uh like a very big thing with I mean it's probably a thing here too, but a little a really big thing with dating in Mexico was yeah, well, you're fat anyway. You know, like oh like well you're ugly anyway, I didn't even want to date you or whatever. Whenever you they'd be like, hey, you want to go on a date? Be like, oh no, thanks. Well, you're ugly anyway. That's what the guys would say, yeah. Like I've you know, like, oh well you're you're gor uh you're you're fat, gorda. I've mixed two languages at the same time. Like, oh you're fat. I don't want to go up with you anyway. Um so I wrote a song called Yeah You Wish, and it's basically like it's basically me being like, You're not that big of a deal. I'm gonna forget about you the minute the song is over. And actually that's one of the lyrics is um va a vivir que existe sacavando esta canción, like I'm gonna forget you exist when this song is over, and I do. So um, but yeah, I just I just do think I do think a lot of men um think that we think they're all that, and I think that song's about that. Like it's a it's a it's a very like femme anthem, in my opinion. Um, and I'm really happy that I wrote it's the first song I've written for the band in Spanish. Um that's what I was gonna say. I thought I saw something online saying it was the first it it is like we have a translation of a song that we released, but this is the first song that I wrote for the band that is in Spanish. Um so I'm really, really excited. I'm very excited about it, yes.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

Yeah. Um, so what was the writing process like? Did you go to the band or did the band have music and you wrote to it? Or how does that work?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

We write songs, like I don't think we've written a single song the exact same way. Like every song has kind of like appeared from the ether in a different way. Like Yaqui Sierras, I went to a bar and I was sitting at a bar because I wanted to like just write somewhere that wasn't my house. Um and it just came to I just like started to write it, and I think I wrote it, I wrote the first version of it in like 15 minutes um or 20 minutes, and then um I wrote it off of like I started to learn how to play the guitar, so I was messing around with the guitar and I accidentally wrote something that I liked when I was practicing with it, and I wrote it off of that, and then that's kind of how it came, and then I just, you know, brought to the band, kept fixing it up a little bit. Um, and then I think we performed it for the first time last summer. We performed for the first time on stage, but it's coming out this Friday, and I'm very excited about it.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

Um, is this the first thing you've released in a while?

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Um, this is the first thing we've released this year. We released um our last single that was released was Anadonia. That was last year. Okay. Um, and it's honestly one of my favorite songs that we've written, uh, that we've released as a band. Um, Paul, who's not longer in the band, wrote that. And I think it's just such a such a banger. It's so fun. Anadonia. I I think it it's like one of my favorite songs that we have out there.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

How about the recording process? Did you guys how did how did that go down?

SPEAKER_02 9:13

We we did it really differently than our first. Our first album, uh, and Drianna talked about it a little before we started the podcast, but our first album was written and recorded in a basement and it was very DIY. And um I think it has a lot of heart, but it also sounds like we, you know, it's not in a soundproof room and in, you know, um, so this time around we went to Lancaster and we recorded the song in um like a recording, a recording studio. Um, one of the students there, um, his name is Olsa Paul, and he's cool. And I don't know if he's listening to this, but he's cool. Um if you are, hey Paul, you're cool. Um, we recorded it there, and one of the students there was the recording engineer and he was awesome. And then it was produced by our previous blaze player bass player, um, John Show, who is one of the best people in the world. Um, and he's mixed and mastered um everything we've ever done. So he's cool as hell. Um and yeah, that's how we recorded it there. We did most of the instruments there. Um, we kind of ran out of time, so we didn't do the vocals, and then the vocals were done in my living room um about a month later that we found the time we set up in my living room, um put the cats away and just recorded it. Yeah, my cats, my cats are all up in their stuff. Yeah. They love cats, though. We love cats.

SPEAKER_05 10:40

Not the best, but they ruined, yeah. All these are cat paws. I had three cats, but they all passed away. I'm from like 25 to 41, so they lived their full life. But um cats are the best, but they they ruin everything. Um all right, so recording. What was was did that studio in Lancaster have a name?

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Uh it was a school, and for some reason I cannot for the life of me remember which school it was right now. It was fine. John's old school. And I maybe like Lancaster something school. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 11:12

That's good. That's good. Yeah, it was a school in Lancaster. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Um, so alright, so you recorded the vocals in the living room. Now who then you had to mix it? Who did how that John.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Yeah. So John Show mixed and and mastered everything. John's in the band. He he was in the band, he was a man.

SPEAKER_05 11:29

He was laughing, but he's not, but he's still he's still gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Yeah, he he like he realized that he's more into the recording and audio thing than the performing live thing, which is totally fair. Yeah, um, but yeah, engineer becomes one of the bands. Like if you is honestly, he'll always be Night Pierre and he'll always be part of the band. Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

Um I love him dearly and he's one of my best friends, so yeah. And it's important to trust your engineers. So if they're basically just another member of the band, it's great.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

Yeah, no, I trust, I trust him with my life.

SPEAKER_05 11:56

So yeah. Um all right, so I got the I got the drift of the uh so so if no one ever heard you before, how do you think how would you describe your sound to them?

SPEAKER_02 12:09

I think that the best way to describe our sound is a bunch of former emo kids are angry and want to sing about it, but we're also theater kids, so we're a little like at the same time. Okay. So yeah, I love glitter and theatricals, and I mean, I was a pop diva in my in my room when I was little. Of course I love glitter, and of course I love glitters insane.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

You would hate me.

SPEAKER_05 12:35

You would hate all my stuff. Like, have you ever just like had a show and thrown glitter?

SPEAKER_02 12:41

That I wouldn't I haven't done the venue first. It's because of the venue, I haven't done it. It is not for lack of wanting to. I have wanted to do it so bad. Put something down on the floor like giant super punk tarp. That might be a lot of work. Honestly, I've I've worked for brush shows, and you'd be surprised. Like, people put a tarp down, and everyone's like, oh, something's about to go down. And then I've seen burlesque performers do water, fake blood, yeah, confetti, glitter, and then they just wrap up the tarp and then it's fine. So, I mean, maybe we'll see. I do put rhinestones on all of my things. So I'm always a little bit more. Does microphone have rhinestones on it? It will at some point. I need to buy like a little sleeve for it. And then the stand. That's a good idea. I should make a little glitter stand. That would be fun. But yeah, I do, I do like sparkly things. Um, so it's like it would say theatrical rock. I think that uh for someone who's listening to us for the first time, um, I think that we do a really good job at combining some some emotional things about depression and you know, and mental health, but also finding humor in issues with mental health. I think there's a lot of that in our music too. Um especially if you're listening to Anadonia, it's a very sarcastic song. Um But yeah, I mean I think that that's we're very loud, we're very opinionated, we're very like like in your face, and I think that more I like music that's in your face. Yeah. I feel like it it wakes you up a little, makes you think.

SPEAKER_05 14:15

Yeah. Um, and so you're the what's it like being the front? Are you like the yes? So you're the front person, so like all around, is it like the front person deal? Like what's it like to you get all the attention?

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I do.

SPEAKER_05 14:29

Or is it kind of equal?

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Yeah, something like that. I want it to be equal so bad, and uh, it's just I'm the front woman, I'm the lead singer, um, and I'm the oldest member of the band, so it's like one of those everyone else's guys. Uh we have uh two non-binary people in our band. And then yes, and then a guy and then me. Okay. Um it's weird because like I don't like the attention, but I do like the attention. I don't know if that makes any sense. It's just like I if someone's like you did so good, I'm like, no, I didn't. But I also want to be confident and um I like being the front woman. I love performing and I love all that. And like I mean, I like compliments, but I also don't like uh the idea of maybe being self-centered. So I I feel like a little yeah, it feels weird to like, you know, I know I need to be like posting more of my face and more videos of just me, and I just feel weird. It's just like the weirdest combination of emotions.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

I know it's unstainable because I've always felt that way about bands. Like I was huge when we're in this Pirvana shirt, but like I was a huge, I was a teenager in the 90s, so I was a huge Nirvana fan. And you know, it started with me then. It's like Kirk Cobain's not the only one in the band. Like no, I know he's the songwriter and he's the front guy, but these others, so so I understand when you're saying like it's great, I I I enjoy it, but like I really don't want it to be like this is all me.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Cause yes, there's also an awkwardness to it. And I I'm just a very I am very outgoing.

SPEAKER_05 16:06

You got diva in there, but you don't have the I've got diva attitude.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

I don't like being a diva. I don't I think that's the best. I I'm like okay, D.Va, but I don't like being like, oh my god, she's such a diva. And I think there's like, um, I know that we can move back to this, but there's also like, oh, women aren't allowed to um say good things about themselves because then it's like braggy and like we don't like, you know that. And like it took me a long time to be like, no, I'm a great singer, and yeah, cute. And yeah, so it's just an awkwardness of yeah, everyone in the band works really hard. Um and the the front person gets all the attention, but it's also just like I'm a very friendly person and I'm a very ongoing outgoing person, but I'm also very a socially awkward person, so it it's just yeah, it's like it's a weird combination to be in the front, but I also the band doesn't want any attention either. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

How do you feel about bass players? Are they quiet, the ones that you've dealt with?

SPEAKER_02 17:02

It's so funny because yes, but also John, who was our bass player before Morgan, just transformed on stage. Like he he would be all over the place, like shaking his head, like you know, like just giving it as his all, um, and performing. And I think that for me, I just love bands that perform.

SPEAKER_04 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Um, like I've seen some really talented people who just stand there, and that's great, and that's a vibe too, if that's what you want. But for me, personally, I just love people who are performing, and you can just tell in their face how much they're feeling the music, and John feels the music. So um, Morgan is also like really into like the performance aspect of it, which I'm why I'm really excited. They actually just uh joined the band recently. Um yeah, I don't know. It's it's like a weird thing where I like a band that performs on stage and like and like you can see that they're enjoying it and they're having fun. And um, so I just think that Night Fury, like I could just, you know, if I wanted to do my own thing, I would. I think that I like being part of a band and I like feeling like I'm in a team. I like feeling like I have like all these like siblings. It doesn't feel like work, it feels like siblings and um like Brian, you know, messes with me like an older brother would. Yeah. Um yeah, you guys all become like best friends. Yeah, we you become like friends and it's it is as long as everyone gets along, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:31

And as long as like when you were in the band before like this band, like before everyone changed, was it what did it have the same feeling?

SPEAKER_02 18:37

It did. I mean, yeah, it's always been a very like the people that left have always left over reasons that had nothing to do with the band, or like our relationship is more like you know, mental health reasons or yeah, you know, busy lives. Unfortunately, most musicians have a lot going on. We have to have to keep all these day jobs, and you know, that's really been why people have left the band. It's never been like a any like um like disagreement. Conflict. Yeah, there's never been something like that. So I mean, I've I've laughed the hardest I've laughed with the band, and I've had great times, and you know, we've done some shows where like what the hell is going on, and we laugh about it, you know, and we bond and we have inside jokes and like you don't take it too serious.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

No, we don't we don't take even if something goes wrong, it's like what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Sit here and Yeah, yeah, yeah. We take like we take what we're doing seriously and we definitely hope for this to become a full-time job, but we don't take it seriously like when something goes wrong or like yeah, you know, we just have fun because if it's not fun, then why are you doing it? And if you don't care about it, then why do it, you know? Yeah. It's not just another job. Music is not just another job for most people who do music, it's not just a job. And right, um, and if you treat it like a job, then you might as well just do something that pays more money, yeah. Yeah, and more secure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

Um how long how often do you guys have to practice?

SPEAKER_02 20:01

We practice once a week. Um, again, same thing. We just all have a lot going on.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

Is it easy to have like the same day? Yeah, we just think a lot of part of being in a band is most schedules, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Most of us have nine to fives, no. No, no, no. Okay. Um most of us have nine to fives. Um, so we just kind of do it after work. Um yeah, so it's just kind of like we just do Mondays after work, um, and then makes Mondays a little bit better. Yeah. You know, a lot better, actually, a lot better. And then we do shows about once a month. Um, October is normally where we have a lot of shows, just because our vibe is very, you know, Halloween coded, and I love Halloween, so I'm very okay with it.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

What what venues do you guys play at?

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Uh we we've done a lot of DIY this year. We just played a Lucky Saloon in New York City. That was super fun, great venue, great people. Um, shout out to Thalo events. Um, they're super cool. Um and we're gonna play So DIY, like house shows? Like or like house shows or like a thing in Philly, I feel like yeah, well, it's just like I said, there's who knows how many hundreds of bands in in Philly, and there's like six venues that you can realistically play at. Yeah. So people are like, all right, fine, we'll make our own venue. And I think that's amazing, and I think that's a really cool thing about Philly. Like, we're about to do Porch Fest um May 30th, which we're really excited about, and then I'm super excited about the Unpunk Fest. Um, that's gonna be at Thunderbird Hall May 23rd. Really excited about that. And we're performing at Nikki Lopez May 25th. Um but yeah, it's nice. Yeah, it's a good it's a good vibe.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

I feel like um the pandemic kind of like started creating a lot of DIY too.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Do you feel I yes, one thousand percent.

SPEAKER_05 21:50

Uh everybody was like, I mean, even the like the EDM culture and stuff like that, like the younger generation needed to find somewhere to go. Or something like and so it like reawakened. Um we need a community it reawakened a scene that actually was not doing well that I didn't think it was doing well, and then I saw all these younger people and I'm so happy. Like like they're maybe 20 years younger than me, but they're like doing things like there was a whole scene in the 90s that was going on with warehouses and this and that and blah blah blah, and then everything got destroyed and everything ended. Yep, and then it all came back because of this the pandemic. Yeah. So the pandemic was like negative, but there's some positives, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

I mean, I think that I I think more of it like we found we found a way to find community in a during a terrible time. Yeah. And I think that's really what music is and art is and what humanity is at the end of the day. Um I did a lot of like little like concerts in my bedroom. I talk I called them Thirsty Thursdays with Ned. Oh my god. And they were the silliest, cheesiest little concerts. I was literally would just pick, I was like, I can do whatever I want. I'm just gonna do like basically do karaoke for for an hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

And did you go like that? People want to like send me a tip on Venmo. I did, and if people want to send me a tip on Venmo, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

So I did like Broadway, I did Lady Gaga night, I did 80s night, and so I would just like dress up and just pick a you know, it was so silly, and I had so much fun doing it. But like, you know, that was like that was a DIY, and then I I did um I participated in like some video shows where they'd be like, We're gonna do a show, so you just send us a video of your performance and we're just gonna do like a zoom call and play the video, basically. So I did like a few of those, but I think that that really sparked the like I think that our hands being tied made us realize, oh, I can do things with my feet, I can do things with my with my mouth, or whatever. Like, yeah, that was dirty. I didn't want it to be dirty, but like I know.

SPEAKER_05 23:57

You know what I mean? That was like I was on a podcast one time and we were in the studio, and on the studio there's all these um palettes that they cut up the wood, and the girl was like, we were talking about songwriting, and she's like, you know, like I can write about anything, I can write about wood. I'm like, and I'm like, I get why you said that, but I don't know if that was the best word right now. Oh, good. We've all done it. No, so yeah, but yeah, the pandemic, the pandemic did.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, of course it's not like, oh, I wish it would happen again. Of course not. It was a terrible time and a lot of people died, but I think that we need a community and we found one, and I think that that sparked the DIY, um, the DIY world, and I'm thrilled about it. Like, like I said, we used to do DIY shows here. It was super fun. Um, we can't anymore, but um, if my house had a basement where I could do DIY, you bet your ass I'd be doing a DIY there too.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

Um you're probably gonna fix your basement up.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

I probably will. Probably will. I don't think my boyfriend will let me have shows in our basement. But but maybe I don't know. I think there's it doesn't have to be a basement, you know. I feel like um you can just find like what we're what we were doing was like an old cafeteria, so we called it the calf because it looked like a school cafeteria, and um like the second floor of the building. No, so we just it was part of this building, and we like would ask permission to use the basement um until we were not allowed to anymore because we're heathens. Um Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

But anyway, the worst, yeah. I know you're loud.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Um, but our last show there, I we went out with a bang. Our last show there was a fundraiser against ice, so it was a great, it's a great show. We had a great time. Um, we dressed up as porcelain dolls, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Yeah, um, and we raised like $300, but we raised like $300 for juntos, so that was really cool. Um, so we went out with a bang, but I'm hoping that I'll find a new space to do it in. And it doesn't have to be a basement, it could be like a coffee shop after hours, it could be a parking lot, and like I think that I think that we want to do music so bad that we find a way. Yeah, you know what I mean? I think that a lot of industries can't say that. It's like, oh, I wanna do this so bad, I'm just gonna find a way to do it. Like, music's like, all right, fine, you don't want to book me, I'll book myself, you know.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

Um so you guys do all originals.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Yes, yeah. We we'll throw a cover in for fun once in a while. Um, but that's not what you're in it for. No, no, no. I mean, we all love covers, right? We have a good time with covers, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

Yeah, like you would never want, would you ever want to like if you could get hired as just playing covers and you would make a couple hundred dollars, would you do something like that?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Yeah, I would. I mean, I don't think it would be our band, I think it'd just be like a project I would do. Yeah. Um like I've I've auditioned for wedding bands, and I I'm like a sub for a wedding band, actually, but you know, yeah. I mean, I and it's it's another industry and it's so much fun. Um, I think that I have a lot to say and I want to say it. Um, I was quiet way too long, and I was and I was made quiet way too long, so I want to, you know, I want to share my experiences, and I think that a lot of musicians rescued me when I was a kid, and I want to rescue myself with with my own songs now. Nice.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

Um have you ever written something that was like so personal you're like, oh I can't put this out? Yes, and I put it out anyway. And did people like it? Or you don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

I don't know because it's it's on that album, and uh it's a song about a deeply personal traumatic event I went through as a kid. Um it's called Crooked Teeth. Okay. Um and yeah, I mean it's it was hard to it's hard to perform it, it was hard to record it. We've I've only really performed it like two or three times live because you know, again, it's like a DIY scene. I don't feel like it's the right uh space for it sometimes, and sometimes it's just hard for me to sing it emotionally, so I just don't. Um but yeah, that's that I would say that song. And then there's other songs I just haven't yeah, there's a couple songs, I guess, that I I don't know if I'm ready to to put out there because they mean they're just like too personal. Yeah, you're just exposing everything about you.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

Yeah. Unless the listener doesn't think about you. Unless the listener doesn't listen, exactly. Well, I mean because they could just turn it into their story.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

And I think that's really cool too. Yeah. Um I think there's definitely Which then brings them closer to you in a couple of things.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

Exactly. And I think that's magical.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Yeah, I think that's magical. Yeah. Uh I think that's why we need music.

SPEAKER_05 28:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

Um do people like know? Have you been at a show where people are singing like the words back to you that you've written? Have you gotten there? Yes. Was that magical?

SPEAKER_02 28:52

It was. It was I was there was this one person, I don't know if they're listening, their name is Sammy, and they've just repeatedly gone to our shows. Um and I thought they were like friends with someone in the band. And then I realized no, they were just coming to see us, and like to see them, they like drove all the way to Brooklyn to see us for our show at Lucky 13. And I saw them in the audience. Yeah, this just happened. Okay. And I wasn't like watching them the entire time, but I remember looking over and seeing them. I think they were they were singing the words to Anadonia, yeah. And I remember feeling like this little like I don't know, like I like the kid inside of me was like, We did it, we did it. And that was so cool. That was so cool.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

Um, you don't know, did you talk do you don't know the person?

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Sammy, I don't I know them now, but like I they were they kept coming to our show, so I just assumed they were friends with someone in the band. And then one day I realized, oh, they're just they just like us. And that's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 29:53

Um and they drove to they don't they're not from Brooklyn, they drove there.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

No, I mean they they live in Brooklyn now, but they're they're from Philly and they drove or they lived, they live in at the time they lived in Philly, so they drove to Brooklyn for the show. Or they went to Brooklyn for the show, which was sounds like a like a like a groupie. Maybe. I don't know if I I mean I think Or is that a negative 10 or 9? I don't know, because they're they're chill.

SPEAKER_05 30:16

Yeah, they're not like someone that's uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

I just love them and I think they're if they are a groupie, they're very chill, groupie, and I'm happy about it. Yeah, yeah. They're great, they're great.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

Um so you guys are very casual and cool and calm. So maybe a lot doesn't happen, but there has there been a time when you're doing let's see, is it studio or or live? It could be anything, like where just things go wrong. Like, have you done a show where it's like everything went wrong? Everything went wrong. Yeah, I mean was it so wrong you We still played.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

I mean I like a particular incident. I don't know, there was a show where we performed and there was a a gigantic hole in the middle of the like let's call it a stage. It wasn't it was barely a stage, it was like some what are those like wooden things that people pallets like I guess pallets, I don't know what they're called. Yeah, those big put together, but they were like rotten and old, and there was just a hole in the middle, and then the person who was running the venue is just like, hey, just don't step in there. And I'm like, oh okay. It was not in Philly, I don't remember where it was, but like, and then we forgot the merch, so we didn't have anything to sell. So we went um to CVS and bought a ton of like like hi my name is labels, and I just grabbed like bought like a silver marker and wrote Night Fury really cool, and they actually and like we didn't obviously didn't sell those because you know it's really it's not the merch is to make money, yeah. But like if I if we didn't need to make money, I wouldn't sell it. I'd just give it to people. Um like I'm one of those people, like I wish I didn't have the money. I just I wish it wasn't about that. I just I just want to give you the sticker. So I'm like, I'm not gonna charge y'all for these DIY, like like it was like you want to tip us, that's great. But anyway, so that happened. I think I almost faint. I was like a whole thing, and then what's funny is like everything went wrong, and then it was a great set. Um, we did a great job. Oh, our phone, we record every show, our phone fell over. And it was one of those things.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

So you could hear like because it got like it threw over. Um, in another show.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Did you know in the moment it was thrown over? No, it was after the show. You know, it's always after the show. You're like, great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:49

It just um But it ended up being a good show.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

It ended up being a good show. I would say, like, there's only I there's only like a handful of shows where I was like, I'm not here right now. Like, I'm definitely not present. Or like there was one show where the audience was just, you know, and like there's no bad audience, and I don't I don't like blaming the audience, but I just think we just we just weren't their vibe, and that's okay. They weren't even they just weren't into it, or like they were, and you know, there's a ton of autistic people out there, so maybe they were just like enjoying it quietly in like their own corner, and that's okay too. And yeah, some people are socially awkward, and I mean I'm socially awkward.

SPEAKER_05 33:27

Was this an event where they all came into the house?

SPEAKER_02 33:29

They were like on their phones, and I was like, Let's get up, and no one would get up. And then a friend of ours tried to help us and started dancing. Was it a free show? It was not a free show, it was uh we were opening for it's a band on tour.

SPEAKER_05 33:43

They were like different.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Yeah, I think they were there for the headliner, and they were just like, Who is this? I don't care, you know. Yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, so I mean there's been shows like that, but I would say like shows where crazy shit happened, I would say just like yeah, the hole in the stage was a was an interesting one. Um so you guys. And I love how like casual, yeah, we were just around the hole, and then like I think there's a clip of John slipping into the hole a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

Um before the before the phone fell over.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Before the phone fell over. No, it was we were like in the car, like what the hell was that? Just cracking up. Like, yeah, yeah, you know, like what we what did we just do? Like, that was so weird. But I mean, it was a good show, like people liked it, so we were happy. I mean, I perform I want to perform the same to three people than to like a hundred people, yeah. So I don't care if you don't like it.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

All that little weird stuff makes it even better for the audience.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Yeah, because when they see the band like overcoming all this nonsense, like they might not have known though, but if they do see like you're there's a huge hole, and I don't know if they knew the other dilemmas going on, but I think as musicians, we know what we go through, but I think that people don't realize how much we go through. They have no clue. Like, you have no idea that that three-minute song you're listening to took like blood and tears, yeah, and hours of me drawing. Um, because I do all the artwork, or the um sorry, all the artwork I do that too. Oh, all the art. Uh okay. Oh cool. Yes, that's good artwork. That's nice. Thank you. I love that. Thank you. I love that. Um, it yeah, we're fully we're DIY. I love that.

SPEAKER_05 35:14

Keep it alive. Yes, keep it going.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Yeah, I'm not waiting. Look, I waited too long. I'm not waiting for anyone to like do our artwork, do our PR, do anything for us. And like, I think that definitely works against me because I still have to make money, but so I have to like put energy into a job. But I'm also like, I'm not waiting for anyone. This is I left Mexico for this, you know.

SPEAKER_05 35:36

I'm not gonna do music and art when it's like a thing in you, like it sounds like it's in you, like it burns you. Like, you you have to get it out. Yes, you have to do it. So that's the problem, like with the direction I've gone with my life, is because I love what I do so much, and then it becomes and I can do a lot of things. Like, I did graphic design before recording, and I can do I do so many things, and then I do catch myself. Why would I outsource? But then also it can take up all your life. But when it's just like us a band and your project, it's probably a lot.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

I mean, obviously, then if we had the budget for it, we we would absolutely because like I know there's so many amazing artists that I would love to support, but I'm not about to be like Well, your art probably has a certain look.

SPEAKER_05 36:20

Would you want to like change it? Or would you find someone that does or you don't really care?

SPEAKER_02 36:25

It's both. It's like I do have like a little bit of like a uh but I know what I want it to look like, but there's also things I just don't know how to do, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Um, when you don't know how to do something or you know you don't know something, it's okay. And I think that it would be really cool to see someone do artwork for like a shirt or artwork for like a sticker. Um, especially because like I mean, mental health is real and um I have borderline personality disorder, so I also have a lot of times where like I'm just not functional. Yeah. So I um I think I would love to support other artists and see like what they do with our artwork. I would love to have someone helping us do like the managing and have like someone doing our social media, like that would be amazing, but I'm also not gonna wait for that to happen. I'm not gonna wait for us to have money for that. I'm not gonna wait, you know. I'm just gonna treat this band.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

Yeah, just trust the process and the way it's supposed to, because like you don't want to start out and just somebody like, oh yeah, I want all this money. Like, you know, of course you gotta pay people their worth, but of course, but I feel like if you find them along the way, they're gonna want to work with you and I and we've had that happen too.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Everybody'll make sure we've had great opportunities. There's been like amazing people who are just like, hey, I'm gonna come out to your show and just record it with my camera. Hey, I'm gonna come out to your show and take photos because I just liked your songs. Yeah, that's been so many people amazing. Yeah, and like um, and I'm I'm like so bad at like taking things from people. I'm like, Do you want a shirt? Do you are you sure you I can't buy you mail?

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Like, you know, I'm like, I'm terrible. I'm like, please and please let me be nice to you. And they're like, no, I just did it for you know, you know, did it for the bit.

SPEAKER_05 38:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_05 38:06

There's so many people, and there are people that I've realized by doing this podcast that are people like the musicians and stuff that have nine to fives. They're people that have nine to fives and they find a hobby.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

And they love music, they love show, and they love scene, and there's such a scene in Philly. It's like it's so cool. It's a huge scene. I it is, it's grow, it's getting it's getting bigger and bigger, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

I originally moved to New York City. Um, and I I love New York City, don't get me wrong, but it was so hard there because I just was basically had no time to to go to open mics and go to do anything because I was just like working to afford to live there. Right. And just working all these jobs, and I was just too tired, and like um, I also, you know, was diagnosed but not really treated, so I was not doing great. Yeah. Um moving to Philly was more affordable and it did definitely open those doors for me. But I've also met such amazing people here at like open mics and stuff that are just like, hey, like you're cool and I like your music or I like your style or I like your art, so I just want to work with you and I want to do this with you. And we all we live in a capitalistic nightmare. We all have bills to pay, absolutely, and I think you should pay people what they're worth, and this is a real job. It's not for a lot of people, this is a real job. This is what you know, this is what we do. Um, but I also think there's something really cool in the community of music of being like, hey dude, like I just want to work with you, I just want to be in a space with you, and I think that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 39:35

It is, yeah, it is amazing, and then it's it's rough, it's rough for the people not in the like I'm in the community. Well, no, what I mean is like there's so many people like that now, and now with technology, so like I told you a little bit about myself, but not a lot, but like recording and this and that, and and now it's like when I started doing what I did, it was like, I mean, we were going on like almost 30 years ago, it was a completely different, different world, or 25, 20, whatever. Um, and now like it's crazy because like somebody can just get some stuff and learn. Doesn't mean they're the best, but that's part of them sometimes saying, Hey, I'll just work with you because you're learning, they're learning, everybody's learning.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

And it works as long as the product is good.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

As long as the product is good, as long as it, you know. And everyone has a different um opinion of like what's good and what isn't good, and you know, why they do something. But yeah, I mean, end of the day, it's like if something's making you make art or make music, then that's great, you know. I don't care if you learned with like a TikTok video or if you went to school for it, like I'm just curious about all this new stuff coming out.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

I don't really know about any of it. So I'm curious, like Suno and all that. Is that about what's right? Suno. Do you ever Suno? Have you heard of Suno? I have not. It's an app. Oh my god, it must be because of my algorithm. I get flooded with it. It's an app that basically um like you can do basically like you do with uh chat or with like AI, like you can prompt it and then it makes a song. I hate that. Um, so I just got something on my feed today that I shared that Taylor Swift just recently she just trademarked her voice because that's where AI is. That's you know, they're they're finding ways to make laws and artists have to find ways to protect themselves. We shouldn't have to do that. We shouldn't have to, but someone like her makes sense. She's probably she can sue because you know the AI, they've they've probably had so much to learn, and um, and so it's crazy because it shouldn't, it's like it's all in real time right now.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

It's not something we shouldn't have to worry about.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

It came out, it got rolled out way too fast with nothing being created to protect agreed all the people. So it's like now it's just that fight to to make that happen, and no, like that's a whole rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

All art is valid unless it's like AI.

unknown 41:59

Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 42:00

Yeah, I mean, I'm having enough.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

So I've you made your song with AI, I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 42:05

I just yeah, no, I just had to well, I talked to somebody, like an engineer who somebody went and did that, right? They they oh yeah, I wrote the lyrics, whatever they did, and then they went to like an actual studio to say, okay, now can you make it real? It's like well, then and the and the producer engineer was like, but you didn't actually make this song, just so you know. And now you're asked asking me to make it real.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yeah, so this is a like I was talking about.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

I always end up talking about this because it's music, and it's like, what is this? Well, we're dealing with it now. What is this doing to the five-year-olds or the six-year-olds that are being raised on this? That like their mental health. Yeah, I know it's music, but this is like I feel like I feel like it's a mental health thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

It's a mental health thing.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

It's like it's gonna be like not good.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Wasn't there an AI musician that made like the Billboard 100 or something like that? Or did I make that up?

SPEAKER_05 42:52

No, you you I don't I don't know if it was Billboard. I'm sure you're it wasn't Billboard, it was because like um the card.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

I was so mad because I was like, I'm we're out here busting our asses, and you know, we're not anywhere near there. And I've uh it just that's why we gotta just keep the community.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

You gotta keep the community and keep and that's part of me doing what I'm doing and going around and and meeting people and then hopefully introducing people to each other. We just gotta do what we gotta do to like keep our own community because we can't control the we can't control the we can't control the system, we can't control like the lives on our own. And there's and Philly is full of people just like us. So that's the great, and I'm sure and all of the world is. Yeah, I'm sure. It's just that the people being born into it, and if they're not taught, they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

They don't know.

SPEAKER_05 43:38

So, like you're you're you know, even though you're a little bit younger, but you still lived in a time that this was like this and this was like this, you know what I mean? Now we're in a time that people are being born right into like this crazy prompt everything and just it's just it's sad.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

I mean, it's it's sad that it's something that we have to deal with. And like I agree, it they rolled out AI way too fast, and there's no way. To regulate it like that overnight. And now it's like it's a threat to the environment, to the economy, to everything. It's a threat to everything. And it just um it makes me really mad because I think that in another world, like in a different timeline, AI could have been a helpful tool for other things, and yet we're using it to like um make the things that we like to do. Like it's like, I why would I I want to write music? Why would I want an app to write music for me, you know? And like I don't want to do my laundry. I don't. Yeah. Like that's where why aren't we making, you know, that's right, that's a whole other thing. But like I think I think it it's it's sad because it cheapens uh the experience of being a musician, and I think that whatever your genre is, whatever artist you like, whatever um if you're good or bad, I don't care. You know, I'd rather hear like a bad song by a real person than like an A song any day. Any day. Yeah. It's just it's sad.

SPEAKER_05 45:01

Well, they're all getting in some sort of trouble slowly but surely.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

I yeah, too slowly. But I hope that I hope that the consequences. I mean, I don't know. I I it is what it is, and we can talk about it forever.

SPEAKER_05 45:13

And the thing is the I don't trust the major labels at all. So everything's a mess. To me, no matter what, that's why music is our hero started when I created that like back in 2011. It's all a mess. And we and we're never gonna it's it's a mess. It is, it's disgusting. It's a mess, and it's a disgusting mess that I can't even think about.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

It's a mess, and we're doing nothing.

SPEAKER_05 45:34

Like you could do so much, and this is what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

I asked myself that question so many times a day. Well, you could do so many, you you could do so many things, you could do so much, but why are you doing this? Like, you know, for with everything.

SPEAKER_04 45:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Yeah, I'll like with every experience I have, and like you could have done anything else.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

Yeah. But this is what you're doing. But this is what we're doing. But like, I I mean like with like, you know, the politicians in the music industry and like the ones, the the weirdos running the the world.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

What's one thing that you wish that um indie venues did like what's one thing what's something you really like about indie venues that they do for indie artists, and then what's something you think they could do better?

SPEAKER_02 46:14

So by indie venues, do you mean like I guess it's like a like a more like low-key venue, or do you mean like a I guess like a DIY venue?

SPEAKER_05 46:23

So DIY venue, hmm. Well, DIY venue would be I can be in I mean in general. Um I guess it would be somewhere where it's a business that owns the venue. Gotcha, yeah, okay. Um, you know.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

I think that something that's really cool about indie music venues, I think that they ho they do a lot of community events, which I really appreciate. Like they, you know, open mic nights, um, karaoke nets, whatever. I think that they I like that they put in the effort to to get people to come. Like I just went to goat brunch for Johnny Brenda's. That was awesome. Yeah. That was so great. Um, you know, I mean, I went for the I went for the for the goats, I stayed for the delicious brunch, and I've been to great shows there. There was there were goats. Actual goats. Like actual goats, like beh goats. Oh. They were awesome, and I pet them and it was great. And I had a great time. That's interesting. And I've been, I mean, and that was brunch, but like they do community events like that, and you know, it was free. Like the the goat experience wasn't like you didn't have to pay anything, it was like part of the part of the event.

SPEAKER_05 47:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

Um, you paid for the brunch. So I think that doing things like that is something that I like that venues do. I think that's something they could do better. I think that venues rely way too heavily on promoters. And I think while there are good promotion teams out there, I think a lot of promoters are very predatory. Um and they charge way too much, they take way too much from artists, like absolutely way too much for doing basically nothing. Um barely give you a show flyer, barely give you a link um to the event, be annoyed for every question you ask. I feel like if venues I don't know, like maybe they did they did booking in-house um and paid their artists a little more fairly instead of paying a promoter to do like not a lot and take a lot from the artist. I think that that's something that any venues in Philly could do better.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

Yeah. Um that is a good point. I mean, that's why we're doing DIY. It's because I even like as you know, a DJ, it's like you get booked somewhere and it's like, do you guys not want business? Like, do you not want people to know about this? It there is something going on in the whole scene when it comes to that part, like the marketing and the and the like you're saying, like the promoters. I mean, if you're not doing anything, like back in the day, like they got away with that, obviously, like 80s, 90s, because it was a whole different scene. But now artists are gaining control, and it's like we'll just promote ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

Yeah. I I mean, yeah, like I mean, that is like I mean, and there are big promoters out there, but maybe that's a thing that too many people are calling themselves promoters. I think there's like a lot of local promotion. I mean, there's still a lot of venues in Philly that don't use promoters. Um, and I think they do better and book better, better artists, frankly. Um I mean, I also honestly I don't know enough. I don't want to talk out of my ass either. Yeah. I don't know for sure these venues don't use promoters, but the few times I've applied, I haven't dealt with a promoter. I've dealt with the venue directly.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Um, and I've been I've been turned down by them, but it I got turned down by the venue, and it was like, you know, you're you don't have a big enough draw or we're booked or whatever reason that they couldn't book me, which is totally fine.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Um, but yeah, I've booked other shows where like, you know, we pack the place and walk away with 30 bucks. And it's like, oh, promote the promoter fees. And I'm like, but you didn't do anything. Yeah, that's horrible. So I think venues, I think that a lot of venues rely way too much. Like they don't just have an in-house booker that does the booking and they instead they just like hire promoters. And I think that like I've reached out and they'll like redirect me to the promoter, they won't do the booking themselves.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Um, I think it'd be cool if if they yeah, if they like did the booking in-house and like kind of cut the middle man, because like like you said, we really don't we promote our shows ourselves. Yeah, you know, we do all of the work.

SPEAKER_05 50:32

I mean the venue is a lot of people. We get the people to the venue. The venue just has to get involved. My my yeah, my I mean it deters me from the experience with a lot of venues is they don't even promote properly. They don't because they're huge, it's it it makes me so frustrated because I will give you all the product. I will make the flyer, I will do this, I will do that, I will I will do sponsored ads on social media and blah blah blah. And it's like I have to hit up this venue like every day. Like, can you guys you know what I mean? I did all this stuff, and then three weeks later, which was like a week before this event I was having, they finally like reacted to something, and I'm like, this is crazy. So I'm just not going back there.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Like, well, yeah, I mean, it is and it's not even like I don't want to work with promoters at all because I've there are a lot of good promoters. I'm not saying all promoters are like this, like there are good like promoters who actually still do the job. What I'm trying to say is more like it deters the community away from one, because like you can't do you can't be like as inclusive and like not inclusive, accessible when you do shows like that because it's like, well, we can't do comps because we're we're only making so much money, right? So then a lot of people just don't go to the show because they're like, I'm too broke to go, which is so sad because people want to go and listen to music. But also, bands are gonna want to play there if they're like they don't want to do all that work to get 30 people out there or 20 people, 10 people even to get 10 people out there or whatever, only to be like, Well, yeah, but we're taking three hundred dollars at the door, so actually you're only gonna make twenty dollars each, you know, and then and by each I mean each band, not each band member. And DIY venues don't do that to you, you know, and DIY venues, you know, will let you in if you don't have money.

SPEAKER_05 52:17

Are the DIY venues set up like a business though?

SPEAKER_02 52:20

They're not, no.

SPEAKER_05 52:21

But then that's why they can. That's why they can't like bars and stuff, it's like they have insurance and this and that. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

And you need to make money, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 52:29

I just think that like so that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

I and you need to make money, I totally get that. I think that there's we need to make money, and there's like them you make it impossible to play here. Yeah, you know, if if we're doing all this work to get like 20 people out and then walk away with $20, you know, yeah, even though the only reason people are there is to see the bands. Yeah, um, but it deters people, and that's why the DIY's singing so strong in really because there's there's not that many independent venues, right? Um, and there's hundreds of bands. They can't survive, that's thousands of bands, probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

Um all right, so the single, uh, how do you say ya que series? Yaqui Cieras. Ya que series. Is that ya? Yaqui. Yaqui Sierras. Sierra Sierras. Yes, Yaki Sierras. Yes with the smile, with whatever I'm telling you to get it out. Now, that's a single. You said you put a single out last year. So are these just singles you're dropping, or is there an album in the making?

SPEAKER_02 53:26

We're right now, we're just doing singles. Um I would love to do an EP. Um, right now we have another single that we're gonna put out called Ballad of the Press. That's coming out um later this year. Um, and then we have some other songs we're like cooking that we might record and release. Um, right now the the two singles that we know are coming out are Yucky CSS and Ballad of the Press.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:48

Yeah. We are gonna be at West Philly Porch Fest. We're gonna be next to Dottie's Donuts. Um gonna be out there. Is that like a big that is everyone, but West Philly has a lot of porches, so people just go on their porch and perform.

SPEAKER_05 54:03

It's a bunch of porches involved. Yes, okay. Awesome. All right.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Um our next like show at a venue is at Century. Um, well, after this comes out, our next show at a venue will be June 13th at Century.

SPEAKER_04 54:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Um we're doing, I guess by the time this comes out, we did Latin Punk Fest on May 23rd, and we played at Nikki Lopez with Camgirl. Okay, we're really excited about that one.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

Okay. Nice. I never haven't been to Nicki Lopez since it changed.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

I have never I haven't been there since it changed either. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm excited. Cool. I've been wanting to play there, so I'm excited.

SPEAKER_05 54:37

Yeah, yeah. It's a nice little space. I guess they probably kept it the same. I don't know. I don't know. We'll find out. I guess you'll find out. We'll find out. Or you'll you found out.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Or I found out, yes. Future Nat found out.

SPEAKER_05 54:48

Yes, yes, future Nat found out. All right, cool. All good stuff. Um, thank you for taking the time to talk. And I do have, I don't know if you've seen my podcast at all, but there's one more question at the end. And that one is how is music your hero?

SPEAKER_02 55:02

Ooh, well, how isn't up in? Um Music has saved me from myself many a time and said the things I couldn't say. Um yeah. Music was my when I was a kid, I had a lot going on. And music was my safe haven. Was my my oasis. So that's how it's my hero.

SPEAKER_05 55:27

Yeah. I understand that um fully. So great, great. Well, anyways, yeah, thank you so much for hanging out, taking the time to talk to my meeting. Um, and I'm sure our lives will cross along the way again. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Thank you until next time. Keep creating, keep connecting, and keep building together. Remember, we're in this together, so let's keep each other dying alive.