SPEAKER_00 0:09

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SPEAKER_09 0:43

Alright, here I am today in West Philly at Porch Fest 2026 with the poets. We're missing a couple members. There's seven of them all together. So maybe they will show up right now. They're trying to find parking and set up equipment and all the chaos that goes on with uh a little rock and roll. But um, yeah, Porch Fest is super cool. It's a is it an annual thing? Yeah, yeah, it's an annual thing here in Philly where people donate their porches and make a whole festival out of it. So good vibes and and super cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:12

400 bands this Porch Fest. Wow, it's great.

SPEAKER_09 1:15

400 bands. 400. And there's 400 bands at this Porch Fest, so that's completely insane. Is it only one day?

SPEAKER_08 1:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:22

Wow. Two days. How long does it go for?

SPEAKER_08 1:25

12 to 6, and then after party after that at the um, what's it called? The little park?

SPEAKER_04 1:31

Something station, like Pentridge Station.

SPEAKER_08 1:34

Pentridge station.

unknown 1:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Sure.

SPEAKER_09 1:37

Oh, it wasn't you. So 400 bands in six hours sounds like complete insanity, but how many um porches are involved?

SPEAKER_08 1:42

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:44

Many? There's got to be a lot. I it took a minute to find parking, but it's all over. It's a good time. Anyways, let's get to to the point here. We're here with the poets and Michelle, who you guys have seen now. This is the third time in this first farm in this first year that Michelle has made the podcast, but we're finally in her artsy module. Yeah. Yeah. She's been behind the bars. She's been talking about open mics, but here we are talking about um her project. So there's seven of you. Do you guys want to introduce yourselves?

SPEAKER_08 2:12

Yeah. Yeah. You want to start over there? I'm Stefan.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

I'm the drummer.

SPEAKER_09 2:18

So Stefan. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_07 2:20

I'm Dave. I play guitar, sing a little bit. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

I'm Patty. I'm one of the singers. Okay. Poet.

SPEAKER_08 2:26

And I'm Michelle. Poet too. Singer too.

SPEAKER_09 2:31

Singer too. Yeah. So yeah, you guys have a lot of harmonies in your music, which I love. So she's the other Michelle, you said your name was, right? I'm Michelle. No, the other one.

SPEAKER_08 2:40

That's Patty. Patty. I know. Patty's a new poet. Okay. And you know, the whole um ethos behind the poets is that poets like life like humans is ever changing and evolving, and we are evolving. And we're so blessed and grateful to have Patty as part of our vocal. Um part of the band. So yay.

SPEAKER_09 3:02

How long have has the poets been a thing?

SPEAKER_08 3:05

Wow. Well, Edgar Allen and the poet started in the 90s, lasted for about 10 years, and you took 20 years off. And now we started about four or five years ago as the poets.

SPEAKER_09 3:18

Okay. And yes. And so and all there were six of you. And then she just joined, or how?

SPEAKER_08 3:24

Um there were six, but we did not have the percussionist Larry, Mr. Larry Willoughby, who will be here shortly. He wasn't around then, but he is now.

SPEAKER_09 3:34

Okay. Um, and what how would you describe your sound to and if other people want to talk, that's okay. How would you describe your sound to uh someone that does not know who you are?

SPEAKER_07 3:47

I would say we dabble in every uh genre of music. Um many of the uh songs have uh spoken word um and uh uh vocal harmonies. Um there's a little Latin stuff, a little metal y stuff, a little jazzy stuff, uh little folky stuff. Straight up rock and roll.

SPEAKER_09 4:13

Yeah, yeah. So what is uh your guys' writing process like with so many people? How does that how does that work?

SPEAKER_08 4:22

Well, we started with a lot of um um the the poet's canon, the original canon, and then Chris came on board from another band that he had called the Absinthe Drinkers, and we incorporated some of those and um and we've worked on other new stuff which we are continuing to work on now. So, like for instance, I have a new song that I want to bring in that I can hear Patty on with me, and apart for Chris doing the spoken word part, so it's you know, ever-changing and ever evolving. Yeah, like every song's not written the same. Right. It's so many of the older songs were written by the first Edgar Allen, who was my husband who passed away. Okay, and so he wrote a lot of the original songs. Okay. But with new members coming on, the songs change too. So we've made them our own for today.

SPEAKER_09 5:22

Yeah. And are is everybody in this band a writer? Is everybody a writer? Or does some people just do their instrument?

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Yeah, you like Yes, I I do writing, but not in the poets, but I do I dabble in some other bands.

SPEAKER_09 5:36

Oh, okay. Oh, you're in multiple who who how many of you are in multiple bands? Me. Raise your hand. Raise your hand. So all of you, but Dave, he said you're in a band. I can't hear you over. No, he's in a multiple band. Oh, I said how how many of you are um in multiple bands? I said. Oh, in another band with Michelle.

SPEAKER_07 5:56

In another band with Michelle.

SPEAKER_09 5:57

Okay. So all of you are in multiple bands.

SPEAKER_08 6:00

Yes. Dave and I have a band called Don't Fall In, and Steph's in New Pony Funk, who uh he plays with both of us, and Patty's in all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

Yes, I'm in all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_09 6:11

So how do you find time? Whoever wants to talk right now, how do you find time to be in multiple bands?

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Michelle's persistent, and no, it's hard. It's kind of hard because we all have different lives, and there's different kinds of lives, and we try to map it out. Yeah. And um, you know, there's you know, text threads or whatever, you know, we just try to make it happen.

SPEAKER_09 6:32

Yeah. Yeah, because it really amazes me that because band he appeared out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_08 6:39

This is Max, our bass player. All right.

SPEAKER_09 6:42

Oh, Max is here.

SPEAKER_08 6:43

Okay. So you want to introduce yourself?

SPEAKER_05 6:46

My name is Max Garin, and I play with uh play bass and carry heavy things for the poets and uh new pony funk and other bands as well.

SPEAKER_08 6:55

So Max and Dave and I are part of the original EA and P Poets core. Oh, okay. This is where an OG core, right? And then Steph Max brought Steph on, and we all brought Patty on, and Chris too.

SPEAKER_09 7:14

Okay. So um let's talk about some experiences with the band. Um you guys play out often?

SPEAKER_08 7:23

Yeah, a couple times a month generally, and you know, around the city. Um we're playing Porch Fest today that we're playing at Fergie's uh in June at Happy Hour, and then we're gonna play at the Cosmic Cafe, Goddess Willing, due to the weather and the big soccer FIFA fan fest. Oh, what what's uh what's that date?

SPEAKER_09 7:49

June 20th. Oh, June 20th, that's right. Um, what's what's some of your favorite venues to play at? Favorite venues?

SPEAKER_08 7:58

Dave, do you have a favorite venue?

SPEAKER_07 8:01

Anyone that has us back. I think Michelle mentioned uh most of them.

SPEAKER_08 8:05

Fergie's Cosmic Cafe is really great. Dawson Street. Um oh last summer we got to play on the gazelle, the you know, longboat gazelle, and we created a whole program around that called the Poets in Space Ocean. Brian's living room, Brian Walsh's living room. That was great too.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

My garage. Literally, we had shows in front of my garage.

SPEAKER_09 8:31

I love Max's garage. Okay. All right, cool. What is like one of your uh best experiences, one of your best shows? You guys left, and you were like, oh, that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_08 8:43

Uh Max, do you have one?

SPEAKER_05 8:45

With the poets. Um there's a couple. We we used to do a run at Fergie's that was good because we were up and running. Recently, I think some of the shows at uh Cosmic Cafe have been really worth checking out. Um, you know, it it kind of depends on the night. I mean, we're good regardless. So it does I'm I know that sounds arrogant, but it's like we've gotten to the point where we know we can be good. Yeah. So it's uh it's more a case of are there people there? Uh a friend of mine in another band once joked that stone soup, the old story, you know, the soldiers that convince the people to give them food because they have stone from a, you know, they can make stone soup. Is actually kind of very emblematic of any artist's life because you can tell people it's gonna be an amazing show, and there's gonna be like people dancing on tables and it's gonna be nuts. But what you don't tell them is that it's none of that's going to happen unless they show up with the celery because you know you have a rock, and uh, you know, it's it's very much true that like good shows are based on, you know, if people show up and people are ready to have fun, then you'd be amazed how many broken strings you could just power through.

SPEAKER_08 9:58

Yeah, yeah, like we did the um women fest in March, and that was really cool because a celebration of women fronted musical ensembles, and so there was this real vibe that was present and high energy. It was so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

That was at the Rotunda in West Philly, and that was produced by Vitamin D.

SPEAKER_09 10:17

Yes, yes, the Rotunda. I just did an interview with do you guys know a guy named Denny Horn? Yeah, yeah, that's one of the venues that he uses. He on Monday I just put out his podcast.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

That's right.

SPEAKER_09 10:29

Oh, very cool. So cool. So you guys, so what you're saying is like as long as the energy is there, the audience is there, enjoying what you guys are doing, um, it's a good show and a good time.

SPEAKER_08 10:39

Really into uh creating a narrative, which I'd like to do more about having a whole like not just a rock show, but having um uh a beginning, middle, and end. You know, like that Poets in Space Ocean program where we all had lines and we interwove the songs with audience interaction. Chris is here! Yeah, I gotta show you Chris. So this is fabulous.

SPEAKER_09 11:03

Number one, you look fabulous. Number two, your name is Chris, and he does what?

SPEAKER_08 11:08

He's a vocalist.

SPEAKER_09 11:09

I hate to admit it, but I have that same necklace. I I don't hate to admit it. I love to I love that. I have a disco costume.

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This is part of my disco Jedi costume. May the funk be with you.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:24

Yeah, we're lots of hands.

SPEAKER_05 11:26

You do your best thinking now.

SPEAKER_08 11:27

No, it's not you.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

When? When the base amp is actually on fire, then you're like, okay, now I need to actually think it through.

SPEAKER_09 11:38

Sorry about a base amp is a long time ago I was on mushrooms and um I had a base amp, and we were cold. So we so we got acrylic paint and we painted a fire on it, and then got the space heater and put next to it. So when it's that's what I think of when I hear bass amp. That's cool. That was amazing. Um, all right, what were we talking about? Fabulous experiences, Chris.

SPEAKER_06 12:01

Uh well, one's about to happen in about uh 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_09 12:05

So true, so true. Are you guys performing at Porch Fest this year?

SPEAKER_08 12:09

We are at four o'clock at Ian's porch.

SPEAKER_09 12:12

Oh, yeah. Shout out to Ian, who has um we're in his house right now and donated his porch for uh a stage for this festival today. Um do you guys since you've been a band, all of you together, is there an uh experience that was kind of nightmarish with a venue or place?

SPEAKER_08 12:32

Oh well, remember that time that we played at the cosmic, which we love, but um, we had an opening act, and then um I don't think there was a forecast for rain. We set up, there was even a little tent, and I remember seeing far off these dark clouds like moving slowly, but we were so in the groove and we started singing, and then the then the rain started coming in behind on a slant.

SPEAKER_05 12:55

It was a monsoon, everybody kept going except eventually you didn't want to get electrical disconnecting things because I was afraid we were all going to die of electricity.

SPEAKER_09 13:05

And you're right, that's what you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_08 13:07

Like you feel the wind, you know, coming at me like a headwind, and it just felt so exuberant.

SPEAKER_09 13:13

Yeah, well, it will feel really lightning bolt.

SPEAKER_07 13:16

I wasn't I wasn't gonna stop until we finished the song.

SPEAKER_09 13:20

Yeah, well, yeah. So musicians are smart people.

SPEAKER_05 13:23

I was not dying for membranes, it's really very straightforward.

SPEAKER_09 13:26

Which is the name of one of the touche. Oh, yeah. That one was on uh yes, yes.

SPEAKER_06 13:31

I have too much to live for. I'm not dying for this song.

SPEAKER_09 13:35

There you go. I like to die. Now, Michelle, she's she's ready to go. Strike me, strike me down.

SPEAKER_08 13:41

That's right. I mean, I could die tomorrow. So I want to I want it to be every minute to be meaningful. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:48

But hey, what better way to kick it than on stage doing a song? Yeah, I guess I think like hit by lightning or electricity. Right.

SPEAKER_08 13:56

I think Steph and I were talking about that, like how we'd like to go. What better way than to do be doing something that you love? Absolutely. Like fall over in the middle of a song on stage.

SPEAKER_05 14:07

The problem with getting electrocuted on stage is it's rarely immediately fatal.

SPEAKER_08 14:13

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 14:13

Well that's like most of the people that have died from being electrocuted, it was like a month later, you know, from organ damage and stuff.

SPEAKER_08 14:19

Then you have all the burns and stuff.

SPEAKER_09 14:21

Well, so he's like the what do you call it, the realist in the band?

SPEAKER_08 14:24

I don't know. I think Chris is a big realist in the band. He is he is okay.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

All right, so I'm gonna go with uh dying underneath a lady, you know. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:32

You want to die under a lady? Yeah. Okay. What a man. Yeah. What a man.

SPEAKER_06 14:38

What a man. Is that sufficiently butch to saying that? Well, speaking of butch.

SPEAKER_09 14:44

Oh yeah. Speaking of butch, butch is over there, but I'm punched. Um what what's in the works for the poets? Are you guys recording any of your stuff? Do you record your stuff?

SPEAKER_08 14:54

Um, yes, yes. We're working on some new songs, and uh, we're gonna be recording soon, as soon as soon as the fates are in our favor. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:05

Yeah, recording in Philly is is difficult. It's challenging.

SPEAKER_08 15:10

We try recording it at Chris's house and kind of hmm.

SPEAKER_06 15:13

Yeah. Like I have a practice studio, but it's not great for recording. Um, you know, so it's it's just hard getting everybody together with our schedules and you know, and then finding somebody who's uh good at recording you and not spending you know thousands of dollars on the converge.

SPEAKER_09 15:34

So I record, but I'm not gonna sell myself to you. But there is a guy that I put on my podcast, Sam Pinola. Have you guys ever heard of him? He's a great guy, uh, makes great records.

SPEAKER_08 15:44

Well, we have we have worked with um Scott at Third Story recording. I I know he's moving, he's you know, moving his operation, and I'd like to go back there again.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

Yeah, Scott was Scott was good.

SPEAKER_09 15:56

Well, yeah, if you guys ever do want to record with me, we could always do that too with you. Yeah, I drowned. We have top-notch, it's nice, it's nice, and the price is not bad. And there's seven of you, so it's a good split.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

You have to like be tuned and practiced and everything.

SPEAKER_06 16:11

Yeah, that's the that's the other piece.

SPEAKER_09 16:12

Yeah, well, I mean, that's up to you. That's your dollar, not mine. No, no, no. I actually yeah, I prefer that, so you know, right.

SPEAKER_08 16:19

But so, like for instance, Patty, we just we just welcomed Patty into the band, so that you know it takes a while to to re-gel after a while.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

Tune to tune.

SPEAKER_06 16:30

How how are you gelling, Patty? Are you are you uh are you gelling?

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Slowly, slowly, but but firmly and and lovingly.

SPEAKER_09 16:37

Now, were you in bands before like you've been in music for your life?

SPEAKER_04 16:40

Very much.

SPEAKER_09 16:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

All my life. Yeah, but I was a f I have to do what to say, I was a fan of Edgar Allen and the poets in the 90s and early 2000s. I was a big fan. Oh, cool. So it's very lovely to be in the band now. I never had that happen, you know. So, you know, be a fan.

SPEAKER_06 16:53

And then that is super cool. And same, same for me. Really? Yeah, that's that's how I met Michelle and Max and Dave. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 17:01

Maybe I'll be in the band next. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:03

One of us.

SPEAKER_07 17:08

Chris actually met me because I was his bartender.

SPEAKER_06 17:12

Yeah, yeah. It's I think that might have been first, and then the beginning. I have a band, and I'm like, all right.

SPEAKER_09 17:18

How long have you been playing the drums? I know you're a good drummer. You got the soul, I can tell you.

SPEAKER_08 17:24

Excellent drummer, and he has a lot of stories. Give us something good as a drummer. 76.

SPEAKER_09 17:31

76. So five years before I was born. Good for you.

SPEAKER_08 17:35

On the tour bus with Harold Miller.

SPEAKER_09 17:37

Oh, did you do so? 76. Okay, that was like Philly. Have you always been in Philly?

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 17:43

Yeah. Okay. And have you been in bands the whole time?

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Yes, I have. I've been in several bands since then. Uh Morning Urge. Uh girl group called Sparkle, Evelyn King, Pal Melvin and Blue.

SPEAKER_08 18:01

He helped to exp um uh discover Evelyn King. There you go. Oh, Evelyn King. That's yeah, that's a big name, right? Evelyn King. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Called New Day, a whole bunch of fans I've been in. Wow.

SPEAKER_09 18:12

So you definitely have recorded.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

And you worked at Gamble and Huff. Yeah, I did. Philip International Records.

SPEAKER_09 18:17

Yeah, I'm I got to meet Joe Tarcia. Yes, just I worked in Manhattan for two years, and uh a uh Sony Records, uh, something that was recorded back in the 70s. They wanted to release it. It was never supposed to be released. So Joe came to the studio and he wasn't very happy about it because he was like, this is never supposed to be released, but then we had to like make it make it so I got to meet him. Yeah, yeah. Um so uh so you so what would you rather record uh in a studio or play live?

SPEAKER_03 18:48

Both.

SPEAKER_09 18:48

Yeah, they're different, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Studio is more annoying. Yeah. Okay, right, exacting. And uh live is what you feel in here. Yeah. So that's freedom that you hear live. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's your body expressing what you're feeling, you know, and it comes to the music. Yeah. You know, when you feel something from your soul and you get them goose pills on your arms, you know, you you know you're working it. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Plus you make a mistake, you're gonna be like It doesn't matter. In the moment. It's the moment.

SPEAKER_09 19:29

As an audio engineer, nobody can replay that mistake. Right. As an audio engineer, it's the same way. Like I I I love the studio, it's great, but live sound is just so much more fun because it's so less like it's so less technical. Yeah, yeah. As long as it sounds good, we're good. Like, I don't have to be all do this, do that, EQ this, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

A friend of mine described the studio as trying to paint, but you have giant magnifying glasses on your eyes. So like you see every single little like, ooh, that's out, as opposed to just going, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_09 20:02

Right.

SPEAKER_08 20:02

I like symbolic style.

SPEAKER_09 20:05

But I do love the studio that I'm working out of now because it's such nice microphones and equipment that it just I'm a nerd for it's beautiful. I'm a nerd for I'm a nerd for sound. Like, and it's just they have a lot of outboard gear, nice mics. Um, how about Dave, right? How about you? How long have you been playing guitar?

SPEAKER_07 20:23

Um, I believe he believes my guitar that I I still play to this very day, I think I got in 1972.

SPEAKER_09 20:34

Wow. So you've been playing since around then.

SPEAKER_07 20:37

I have been playing. I think I I wrote my my first song right around that time, but uh alas, uh I don't have a copy of that anywhere.

SPEAKER_09 20:48

Yeah, yeah. And you've been in tons of bands?

SPEAKER_07 20:51

I've been in a few over the years. I said the poet would be my most long-term project.

SPEAKER_09 20:59

Yeah, and have you recorded and played live? Have you recorded in the studio before?

SPEAKER_07 21:04

Um The Poets and Don't Fall In. Okay, cool. Well, how was that experience? I have some cassettes that uh an old fan of mine recorded in a bag, but I don't actually have a cassette player anymore.

SPEAKER_09 21:16

Right, that's the problem with me too. I have a lot of stuff I can't do anything with. Cassettes and VHS things.

SPEAKER_08 21:24

Right. You can make an art assemblage out of them.

SPEAKER_09 21:28

Yeah. Is anybody gonna have to leave soon? Or do the people just leave? Yeah, I wish I would have asked them why music was their hero. But that's okay. Maybe they'll come they won't come back.

SPEAKER_06 21:42

Max is doing sound for the other bands, so he's doing sound for everybody.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:49

Um We probably do have to set up fairly soon, though.

SPEAKER_08 21:54

All right. Well, let's ask ask the question now.

SPEAKER_09 21:56

All right, I'm just gonna ask this question uh this This has been very short. Maybe we'll do more. I don't know. Uh, at the end of every podcast, I ask people why music is their hero. So um, I'm gonna go through all of you. And Michelle, which you all know have been has been on this podcast. This is her third time and has been the only one that somehow has escaped that question at the end. Because I didn't ask you in trip because I was like, oh, I already asked them, and then I didn't ask you the first time for whatever reason. All right. What was Patty? Patty.

SPEAKER_04 22:28

Yes. Patty's music, my hero. Oh, well, um, it is something that is extraordinarily intimate and comfortable, and it makes me feel like myself. And it uh I can it brings me back to me. It's a comfort, and it also can scare the hell out of you. So it's a lot of many things in one. And um uh I like it pushes me, it inspires me when I'm going through low periods. It it helps me work through the periods, might not bring me up sometimes, but it I work through it, I write songs too, and I do play stuff. Um, and uh yeah, and definitely when you sing with people, I sing in choirs and I sing with these guys. It definitely you have the the enzymes, the adrenaline, and it really physically does make you feel better. So that's why music is my hero.

SPEAKER_06 23:14

I like that answer. Nice, Chris. So music is a constant companion since we were all very young. You know, it started out with lullabies and then listening to our parents' music and enjoying that, and then finally discovering our own music, you know, and then I I started in a band very late in life. It was I was in like my mid-30s when I started with the absent drinkers with with Max. And um, that was uh such a different experience than just being just listening to music to actually create music, and that added a whole new dimension for me.

SPEAKER_09 23:57

Nice, nice, that's a good answer. These answers are a little different than I normally have gotten. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_08 24:02

Well, um, I'd love to piggyback on what Chris just said because for me, music my hero, so I spent a lot of my adulthood um making theater happen. And um, well, when I met my husband, we were doing music and theater. And then it we were going to have a child and we had to decide music or theater, um, because it was impossible to do all three. And we decided on theater. So I did theater for 20 years with music on the side, and then after he died, there was something that just called to me it's time to reconstitute the band and make music happen again. And and strangely enough, I'm not drawn to acting the way I used to be. I mean, I used to do it like oh my god, I would do it every chance I got, but now making music is so important to me because it's so um, it touches something so visceral inside that theater never did. So I guess I'm comparing music to theater. And music is is so like in the moment, and it it, I don't know, it's just so it does so much for me at this point in my life that I I can't imagine my life without it. And you know, I I get to process things, I get to communicate, I get to have my um uh hormones up and down and my adrenaline and like you know, make love with all my bandmates in a safe, consensual way. Uh it's just so cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:47

Yeah, cool, yeah, cool. Wait, do you know there's this thing now called musical theater, just recently invented? I I hadn't heard of it myself, and I was shocked when and amazed at it. So, yeah, we'll talk about this later. Okay, thank you, Chris.

SPEAKER_08 26:02

I'm always learning things from you.

SPEAKER_09 26:04

All right, Dave.

SPEAKER_07 26:07

In the words of the German writer Friedrich Nietzsche, translated into English, of course, without music, life would be an error. And uh I can't imagine uh life without music. Um it's been central to my life for as long as I can remember. Yeah. Um I don't know if that explains why it's my hero, but uh well that statement, yeah, it's an error.

SPEAKER_09 26:33

That kind of right there is a huge it would be a mistake if it's just how it is. Right.

SPEAKER_07 26:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:41

That's what you're saying. Like I was gonna say, kind of like the the the traditional meaning of sinning is to miss the mark. So almost like missing the mark or a sin, to live without it.

SPEAKER_09 26:54

Yeah, you wouldn't be alive.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

All right. Well I am the music, and the music is me. Okay. Okay. Um the music has brought me to many places around the world. Um there's so much in my blood and in in my heart and in my soul that it's brought me out of situations where my life could have been somewhere else, kind of something. Or might not even live this long. You know, I was in that kind of environment. So when the bad guys tell you you need to get out of here and play that music because you're good. So that's what I did.

SPEAKER_09 27:49

And it worked.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

And it worked. I love that. Haven't looked back since.

SPEAKER_09 27:54

Yeah, yeah. I would love to dig into your stories. I feel like there's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Yes, Leo?

SPEAKER_09 28:02

All right, cool.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Talking about one the other day, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 28:08

All right, so we missed Max and who's the other one? Larry. Who's Larry? I don't even think we introduced Larry, did we?

SPEAKER_03 28:16

No, he was just standing over there.

SPEAKER_09 28:18

Oh, in the corner.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

Yeah, you know, Larry's, you know, in the shadows guy.

SPEAKER_07 28:22

Yeah. The tall skinny guy.

SPEAKER_06 28:24

Yeah, Larry only communicates through uh thumping on his uh kungas. That's uh exclusively how he communicates.

SPEAKER_09 28:32

Oh yeah. I love that. I love that. Um, how much time do you guys need? Do you guys need to get out there? Yeah, we should be there.

SPEAKER_08 28:40

Oh, yeah, we should probably get out. All right.

SPEAKER_09 28:42

Well, this was super cool, super rushed. Maybe we'll get to sit down a little bit more, maybe not, but um good luck playing. I guess I'm gonna see it. Okay, I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna love it. And um, that's it. Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Keep committing, keep connecting, and keep moving together. So let's keep each other side alive.